Episode 78 – Overwhelm, Indie Earnings, and Legacies

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Question of the Week: Should we keep the sounders? And how has KBoards helped you during your indie author career?

After introducing their latest patron, Michael Allen Peck and his book The Journeyman, Bryan and Jim tackled the latest tips and news. Tips included myths about author marketing, Draft2Digital’s new back matter feature, and passive book marketing. Stories focused on an Oyster update, the growing pay-per-page model, indie author post-production, the mahogany desk flu, the Author Earnings individual report, and the passing of an important figure in self-publishing. The Question of the Week is: Should we keep the sounders? And how has KBoards helped you during your indie author career?
What You’ll Learn: 
  • Which myths about author marketing you should kick to the curb
  • How Draft2Digital will help you deal with the annoyance of back matter
  • What you should do to passively market your books
  • An update about the status of Oyster
  • How the pay-per-page model could change the industry
  • What self-publishing has done to make post-production more important
  • What Jim called a “non-reality moment”
  • How the latest Author Earnings individual report impact the industry
  • Why Harvey Chute was so important to the indie community
Question of the Week: Should we keep the sounders? And how has KBoards helped you during your indie author career?

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  • Thanks for the shout-out, guys! (I listen to the show every week, so I’m happy to pitch in.) And I was even happier to hear Jim’s kind words about the description. Good enough to make one wonder if Bryan wrote it? High praise indeed!

    • Questions-wise, I’m a fan of the sounders. They lend an extra bit of showmanship and zazz (a term I shamelessly stole from The Simpsons) to the proceedings, and you should never underestimate the value of zazz.

      Also, I was very sorry to hear of Harvey’s passing. KBoards is a remarkable achievement. Creating and maintaining an active community of that size and influence is a lightning-in-a-bottle undertaking. And when you consider the indie heavy-hitters who got their start there and continue to participate, it’s a remarkable thing to be remembered by. RIP.

      • Bryan


        Yeah, pretty awesome achievement on his part for sure.

    • Bryan

      You deserve it! Thanks for being an awesome, Patron!

  • Lavie Margolin

    1. No need for sounders. The content works fine without too much shtick.
    2. I have been meaning to dive deeper there. I’ve only read the occasional linked thread but it’s on my radar as the next step to grow.

    • Bryan

      But… but the shtick!

  • Michael La Ronn

    Keep the sounders. They’re fun.

    So very sad to hear about Harvey Chute. Kboards helped me tremendously in my first year as an indie. It helped me make friends, figure out how Amazon worked, and taught me where to look for more detailed information. I can’t imagine the community as we know it without Kboards, so this is a very sad loss. Best prayers and condolences to his family, and we all owe Harvey a big debt.

  • YES! Sounders. Brutal honesty? I zone out if I’m not interested in a news piece. When the next sounder sounds then I know to pay attention again. Plus, Jim has clued me into the specialness of sounder “Number Two.” Hehehe!

  • Sandy Williams

    I enjoy the sounders! They break up the conversation (in a good way) and make the show seem more professional.

    As for KBoards, it’s one of the sites i check regularly. I love every time someone posts numbers and stats on how their launch went, how they’ve grown their business, and how well or not well their ad campaigns did. It’s a great resource.

    • Bryan

      Love the posts when people talk about their results. Very helpful stuff!

  • Bill Weiss

    Sounders serve as audible bullet points to separate segments and they add a fun touch to the show — a kind of campy feel.

    • Bryan

      If nothing else, we’re campy!

  • I like sounders. It’d be nice to get new ones so they’re all the same, from the Tips of the Week to the Top 5 News.

    I’ve rarely been on KBoards. I guess I should, but I listen to podcasts to learn what is working and what isn’t, strategies and approaches.

    • Bryan

      Thanks for the input, Pete :).

  • QOTW – A – I like the sounders. B – I rarely go to K-Boards unless I have a technical question or someone links to Russel Blake and his like telling it like it [really] is.

    • Bryan

      Love it when Blake talks turkey.

  • I prefer the sounders, but it’s also fine without them. As far as Kboards, I rarely go there. I only go there if I’m looking for the answer to something that I can’t find elsewhere. Maybe I should go there more often.

    • Bryan

      It’s helpful, but there are lots of places to find answers. Thanks, Connie!

  • Chris Shumate

    I’m new to the podcast, but have listened to the first five episodes as well as the current ones. I like the sounders because it gives it more of a news feel. I agree with @disqus_tGbhHUJcJ8:disqus observation about the audible bullet points.

    I’ve visited Kboards once. That was the day I listened to this episode. I must have been hiding under a rock to have never heard of, or visited Kboards.

    • Bryan

      Welcome to the show, Chris! And to KBoards :). Get out from under that rock!

  • Lee_Warren

    Keep the sounders.

    I visit KBoards most mornings to get a feel for what is going on in indie publishing. Think I get the most out of reading about the production schedules of other authors.

    • Bryan

      Thanks for the input, Lee!

  • Perry Constantine

    Definitely keep the sounders. Feels weird without them.

    KBoards can be both the best and the worst place on the Internet. There are a lot of wonderful people on there who give some great advice. But there are also a lot of assholes. I’ve come out with a lot more positive than negative, though. I’ve learned a whole lot from the people on that site and made a lot of friends. I’m part of a few private writers’ groups on Facebook which have been a godsend, and I never would have found them if I didn’t meet the members on KBoards first.

  • Love the sounders. Please keep them.

    I’m actually pretty new to KBoards so haven’t taken full advantage of it yet, but I’m very glad to have discovered it. I especially like the community of Aussie indie authors there. It’s good to be able to discuss the unique challenges we aussies face, like dealing with international money transfers and trying to get Amazon to play nice with Aussie banks. Much more helpful that the official Amazon forum in this regard.

    • Bryan

      Way more helpful than the Amazon forum :).

  • Hi guys!
    Been listening to you since last winter (and listened to all the eps I missed), so maybe I’m just accustomed to the sounders, but I like them. Felt like something was missing.
    I have to admit – I’ve never been to kboards — intentionally. I’ve heard so much about people’s negative experiences. Maybe that’s what gets talked about more, but it sounds like a place with a lot of gossip, catty-ness, and snarkiness. Am I wrong? If I’ve gotten the wrong impression, I’d like to know. It sounds like people have gotten something from it, from the comments here, but I’m not sure I want to wade through nastiness to find the nuggets. Especially when I’ve learned so much by reading indies’ blogs and now listening to podcasts. Am I missing something vital by not visiting kboards? Is there perhaps a smaller corner of the boards that’s a bit more welcoming? Is the Writer’s Cafe the same thing or just a small portion?

  • The sounders make it a “professional” operation! Plus, I take comfort in them, even the popped “P” in “Tip o the Week.” For variety, though, you can consider switching to Bryan’s “manual” sounders when he did the solo show, just using his mouth. “Rrrrreeowww!”